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	<title>Comments on: Student assignment committee, Oct. 19</title>
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	<description>A public school parent on the Board of Education</description>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like that the proposals are trying to address &quot;wastefulness.&quot; One statistic that I think would be interesting would be to see how happy parents are with their first round assignment. Basically, as of the 10-day count, what percentage of kindergartners are enrolled in the school assigned in Round I. (Percentages including and excluding siblings.) If something like 70% of those families are enrolled in the school as of the 10-day count, that&#039;s not too wasteful. But if only 20% are, that demonstrates a huge waste of effort:  evaluating schools, picking schools and ranking schools for Round I, only to jump into the waitpools and Round II. 

Another breakdown would be what percentage of parents stay enrolled when assigned their 3rd choice? Or 5th? Or 7th? (These would also be interesting to see broken down by race/ethnicity.) If only 5% of parents enroll at a 7th choice school, is it a waste to encourage parents to sign up for 7? If only 1% of &quot;Other White&quot; parents have kids at schools they chose at #6 or #7, perhaps that shows where the frustration comes from.

I saw that &quot;datasf.org&quot; is offering some San Francisco data online. It would be interesting if an (anonymized) data set for kindergarten admissions could be released so folks who want to could understand the dynamics. Giving only the diversity factors, ethnic/racial identity, resident attendance area, 7 ordered choices, assigned school, and (when available) if the child is attending as of the 10-day count or not should keep the data anonymous. It&#039;s a tricky question about what kinds of data should be released though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like that the proposals are trying to address &#8220;wastefulness.&#8221; One statistic that I think would be interesting would be to see how happy parents are with their first round assignment. Basically, as of the 10-day count, what percentage of kindergartners are enrolled in the school assigned in Round I. (Percentages including and excluding siblings.) If something like 70% of those families are enrolled in the school as of the 10-day count, that&#8217;s not too wasteful. But if only 20% are, that demonstrates a huge waste of effort:  evaluating schools, picking schools and ranking schools for Round I, only to jump into the waitpools and Round II. </p>
<p>Another breakdown would be what percentage of parents stay enrolled when assigned their 3rd choice? Or 5th? Or 7th? (These would also be interesting to see broken down by race/ethnicity.) If only 5% of parents enroll at a 7th choice school, is it a waste to encourage parents to sign up for 7? If only 1% of &#8220;Other White&#8221; parents have kids at schools they chose at #6 or #7, perhaps that shows where the frustration comes from.</p>
<p>I saw that &#8220;datasf.org&#8221; is offering some San Francisco data online. It would be interesting if an (anonymized) data set for kindergarten admissions could be released so folks who want to could understand the dynamics. Giving only the diversity factors, ethnic/racial identity, resident attendance area, 7 ordered choices, assigned school, and (when available) if the child is attending as of the 10-day count or not should keep the data anonymous. It&#8217;s a tricky question about what kinds of data should be released though.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorraine</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorraine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great write up of the meeting -- I&#039;m looking forward to seeing the documents and watching it on KALW.

I&#039;m especially happy to see that more of a premium is being place on parent choice - something that I have been worried was  being dismissed by some BOE and SFUSD staff in recent discussions.  Interesting that it took an outsider to underscore it - research clearly shows that parental involvement is a key element in school improvement and valuing parents is the starting point.

Something that is missing in all this, and that was promised by Superintendent Garcia and, then, Deputy Superintendent Smith, was a hard look at what schools in SFUSD have made changes in recent years and are succeeding and why.  Maybe it&#039;s happening behind closed doors or in presentations I&#039;m not aware of, but what are the schools that SFUSD considers &#039;best practices&#039; at this point in time?

I&#039;m very happy to see new options on the table - these make a lot of sense to me.  I feel that SFUSD and the BOE are on the right track.  I could see this eventually being a model for other urban areas, if implemented well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up of the meeting &#8212; I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing the documents and watching it on KALW.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m especially happy to see that more of a premium is being place on parent choice &#8211; something that I have been worried was  being dismissed by some BOE and SFUSD staff in recent discussions.  Interesting that it took an outsider to underscore it &#8211; research clearly shows that parental involvement is a key element in school improvement and valuing parents is the starting point.</p>
<p>Something that is missing in all this, and that was promised by Superintendent Garcia and, then, Deputy Superintendent Smith, was a hard look at what schools in SFUSD have made changes in recent years and are succeeding and why.  Maybe it&#8217;s happening behind closed doors or in presentations I&#8217;m not aware of, but what are the schools that SFUSD considers &#8216;best practices&#8217; at this point in time?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very happy to see new options on the table &#8211; these make a lot of sense to me.  I feel that SFUSD and the BOE are on the right track.  I could see this eventually being a model for other urban areas, if implemented well.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Rachel for your synopsis of this interesting meeting.  This is a significant undertaking, and no matter how hard you try, someone is always going to be VERY disappointed when assignment letters are opened.  

One flaw in our outdated assignment system is the legacy of “alternative” schools, which essentially removes some neighborhood schools from all the options that were listed.  Will these legacy designations survive the revamp, or does the assignment overhaul include tackling all the flaws?  Isn’t it about time that we removed these archaic designations?  Perhaps language immersion schools should become the new “alternative” schools, and Rooftop, Clarendon, et al. can go the way of Fat Elvis.  In 5 years, fads will change, and the language immersion schools will give way to yet another concept of best practices for education.  So be it.  

Another flaw in the current assignment system is the use of language spoken at home to give a diversity point.  The system should only consider target languages for assignment to immersion/bi-lingual programs.  Check the box for child’s primary language: English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Spanish, Other (could include Korean for CL and Russian for Argonne if applicable).  Check the box for child’s proficiency in English: Fluent, Bi-lingual, or ELL.  Depending on the formula for a specific program, classes would be composed 50:50 or 33:33:33 with native, bi-lingual, and English-dominant speakers.  Language would be tested during the 10-day count, and a child removed from the program and reassigned if their parent lied on the SFUSD application form AND if there was a waiting list.  Vacancy would be filled from the waiting list.  No diversity points for affluent European ex-Pats.  Language would be irrelevant for assignment to GE programs and alternative schools (until abolished), with the exception of AFY, which I understand requires English as the primary language.  

I have my doubts that a true neighborhood assignment system could actually accommodate all the children in the hood.  I would be surprised in Options 2 or 6 could actually serve their assignment areas if they were popular schools.  Is it possible to take the data from the recent 2009/2010 K lottery and map out the applicants to see the distribution of the lottery pool across the various school assignment zones?  (Not the actual kids who eventually started school in the SFUSD, but the initial applicant pool before the mass exodus to private in March ‘09)  Then, after subtracting sibling assignments from every school, perform a simulation to see how many neighborhood schools could have theoretically served their assignment areas if EVERY family chose their neighborhood school.  Which neighborhood schools have capacity for their hood and which neighborhoods are going to be crying foul?  And what if your neighborhood school is immersion (and you don’t want it) or underperforming (and you don’t want it) or alternative (and you cannot have it)?????  Aren’t we running into all the same problems as the current lottery?

Finally, the use of race quotas for diversity or any other purpose would appear to be illegal.  

Best of luck to you and the Board members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Rachel for your synopsis of this interesting meeting.  This is a significant undertaking, and no matter how hard you try, someone is always going to be VERY disappointed when assignment letters are opened.  </p>
<p>One flaw in our outdated assignment system is the legacy of “alternative” schools, which essentially removes some neighborhood schools from all the options that were listed.  Will these legacy designations survive the revamp, or does the assignment overhaul include tackling all the flaws?  Isn’t it about time that we removed these archaic designations?  Perhaps language immersion schools should become the new “alternative” schools, and Rooftop, Clarendon, et al. can go the way of Fat Elvis.  In 5 years, fads will change, and the language immersion schools will give way to yet another concept of best practices for education.  So be it.  </p>
<p>Another flaw in the current assignment system is the use of language spoken at home to give a diversity point.  The system should only consider target languages for assignment to immersion/bi-lingual programs.  Check the box for child’s primary language: English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Spanish, Other (could include Korean for CL and Russian for Argonne if applicable).  Check the box for child’s proficiency in English: Fluent, Bi-lingual, or ELL.  Depending on the formula for a specific program, classes would be composed 50:50 or 33:33:33 with native, bi-lingual, and English-dominant speakers.  Language would be tested during the 10-day count, and a child removed from the program and reassigned if their parent lied on the SFUSD application form AND if there was a waiting list.  Vacancy would be filled from the waiting list.  No diversity points for affluent European ex-Pats.  Language would be irrelevant for assignment to GE programs and alternative schools (until abolished), with the exception of AFY, which I understand requires English as the primary language.  </p>
<p>I have my doubts that a true neighborhood assignment system could actually accommodate all the children in the hood.  I would be surprised in Options 2 or 6 could actually serve their assignment areas if they were popular schools.  Is it possible to take the data from the recent 2009/2010 K lottery and map out the applicants to see the distribution of the lottery pool across the various school assignment zones?  (Not the actual kids who eventually started school in the SFUSD, but the initial applicant pool before the mass exodus to private in March ‘09)  Then, after subtracting sibling assignments from every school, perform a simulation to see how many neighborhood schools could have theoretically served their assignment areas if EVERY family chose their neighborhood school.  Which neighborhood schools have capacity for their hood and which neighborhoods are going to be crying foul?  And what if your neighborhood school is immersion (and you don’t want it) or underperforming (and you don’t want it) or alternative (and you cannot have it)?????  Aren’t we running into all the same problems as the current lottery?</p>
<p>Finally, the use of race quotas for diversity or any other purpose would appear to be illegal.  </p>
<p>Best of luck to you and the Board members.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Halladey</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandra Halladey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this Rachel
Also part of the conversation should be that on the basic score card for each school there could be a segment on outreach and diversity - so that if a school needed to attract more diversity  - it should come up with a marketing plan to attract the needed groups.  The actual assignment system can only do so much - schools have to be savvy marketers too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Rachel<br />
Also part of the conversation should be that on the basic score card for each school there could be a segment on outreach and diversity &#8211; so that if a school needed to attract more diversity  &#8211; it should come up with a marketing plan to attract the needed groups.  The actual assignment system can only do so much &#8211; schools have to be savvy marketers too.</p>
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		<title>By: Daphne</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for synthesizing this information from the meeting. The only measurement I disagree with is &quot;Minimize the number of schools with more than y percent of a single racial/ethnic group.&quot; If a school is performing well with no other indications of low achievement, why dicker with it? I don&#039;t know if such a school exists, but if it does, trying to engineer a different mix for no other reason seems wasteful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for synthesizing this information from the meeting. The only measurement I disagree with is &#8220;Minimize the number of schools with more than y percent of a single racial/ethnic group.&#8221; If a school is performing well with no other indications of low achievement, why dicker with it? I don&#8217;t know if such a school exists, but if it does, trying to engineer a different mix for no other reason seems wasteful.</p>
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		<title>By: rpnorton</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rpnorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes; there are community meetings scheduled for November and December - I will post a schedule when it&#039;s been developed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes; there are community meetings scheduled for November and December &#8211; I will post a schedule when it&#8217;s been developed.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Scott</title>
		<link>http://rachelnorton.com/2009/10/19/student-assignment-committee-oct-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caroline Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this summary Rachel. I had wanted to go  to the meeting but didn&#039;t make it. Are there going to be general community meetings to discuss these options. I think PPS is sponsoring some. Correct?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this summary Rachel. I had wanted to go  to the meeting but didn&#8217;t make it. Are there going to be general community meetings to discuss these options. I think PPS is sponsoring some. Correct?</p>
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